The supplement hype, dont get carried away

Stopwatshiet · 09-24-2007, 06:44 PM

This goes out to everyone working out.

Supplement companies are constantly trying shake off your money with the usual sale schemes. Almost all product reviews are never scientific, only subjective and fancy talk. 90% of them dont do jack shit, take for instance the NO/arginine scam. I would like to make a thread about supplements that DO work with scientific backing, afterwards we will discuss the price to effectivity ratio of these products. Could make for an interesting read. Will edit on research.

Stopwatshiet · 09-24-2007, 06:56 PM

Well until editing works, Ill quick reply and delete the posts later on.

For starters here we have the NO2/arginine scam
Part 1:
http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle....cr=supplements
Part 2:
http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle....cr=supplements

stealth_swimmer · 09-24-2007, 09:06 PM

well I haven't taken straight arginine but I know that Amped ECN (creatine, arginine, BCAAs, and other stuff) definitely gives me a better pump and a longer lasting pump.

Also would like to point out that they are NOT NO2 products they are NO products. Most ppl get confused because the NO2 name on one such product. However, they are NO products (nitric oxide).

Plus there are other things that increase NO or iNOS or some such. I believe Ornithine is one such product and actually works better than straight arginine(which actually has been proven the least effective of the NO products, lol)

Anyways, yes supplements are mostly hype but you should research before buying that way you spend money wisely on things that work and things that will actually help.

Even supplements that are proven still only give a slight edge, but of course we make some of them staples of the bodybuilding supplement regimen.

Iceman · 09-24-2007, 09:44 PM

umm Controlled Labs FTMFW

fitnessman · 09-25-2007, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stopwatshiet

This goes out to everyone working out.

Supplement companies are constantly trying shake off your money with the usual sale schemes. Almost all product reviews are never scientific, only subjective and fancy talk. 90% of them dont do jack shit, take for instance the NO/arginine scam. I would like to make a thread about supplements that DO work with scientific backing, afterwards we will discuss the price to effectivity ratio of these products. Could make for an interesting read. Will edit on research.

I have said this for YEARS! Even at bb.com when I get the 7,000 PM's a day with the "what should I take" questions. My answer is always:

FOOD! 5-6 times a day!

sword- · 09-25-2007, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman

umm Controlled Labs FTMFW

no comment

Quote:

Originally Posted by fitnessman

I have said this for YEARS! Even at bb.com when I get the 7,000 PM's a day with the "what should I take" questions. My answer is always:

FOOD! 5-6 times a day!

Supplements do help, but you can go overboard if you are neglecting such as dieting and training. Certain supps I wouldnt' go for since they are gimmicky. Being a supplement rep I've learned some stuff about the industry.

fitnessman · 09-25-2007, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sword-

Supplements do help, but you can go overboard if you are neglecting such as dieting and training. Certain supps I wouldnt' go for since they are gimmicky. Being a supplement rep I've learned some stuff about the industry.

95% of people have shit diets and even worse training methods. They all want the magic pill or potion to make them grow. Hell AAS won't work well unless diet and training are in order!

Whey (PWO only) multi and C for me

TheDukeUSMC · 09-25-2007, 01:32 PM

1. Whey Protein
2. NO Xplode
3. Mutli's
4. Amino's
5. Gultimine
6. FOOD!

Slugo · 09-25-2007, 01:40 PM

AGREE!

All I take is a multi and whey protein! I'm going to move onto a protein blend next though. I might buy some Size On soon, just for fun though.

captainhorseboy · 09-25-2007, 01:47 PM

i dont even use protein, or any other supp, i just eat fucking food

sure im not huge by any means but too many people flush their cash with that bullshit

i seriously hate the supplement industry

just make big pyrex trays of chicken in the oven and grab one every once in a while, and have a big tupperware tub of brown rice and a few sauces like teriyaki or good ol' KC Masterpiece

Slugo · 09-25-2007, 01:49 PM

Well the only reason I buy protein is for convenience, it's quick way to get protein in when short on time.

sword- · 09-25-2007, 01:52 PM

Certain aspects of the industry I hate.

Staple supplements I like though are:
-Whey (generally isolate since I don't digest wpc well)
-Fish Oil
-Multi-Vitamin
-ALA or some antioxidant.
-Creatine in some form.

Most everything else is gimmicky. Not saying it doesnt work but it depends on your goals (sports/training specific...e.g. I'd vouch for ALCAR but it isnt necessary), budget, and how long you have been training.

TheDukeUSMC · 10-22-2007, 02:21 AM

For awsome supps cheaper that bb.com vist

www. t r u e p r otein.com

You can custom mix your stuff and eveything

LeeHotti · 12-20-2007, 03:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDukeUSMC

For awsome supps cheaper that bb.com vist

www. t r u e p r otein.com

You can custom mix your stuff and eveything

true protein's shipping is HORRIBLE!!!!!!!!!! sooooooooo fucking expensive.

check out bulknutrition and nutraplanet.com way better pricing. nutraplanet got fast ass shipping and if u spend a certain amount they throw in tons.

i have 5 t-shirts from them, nutraplanet ones, gaspari ones, 2 shacker bottles, tons of free samples too. GREAT SITE!!! i always order there and they are cheap.

TheDukeUSMC · 02-09-2008, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stopwatshiet

This goes out to everyone working out.

Supplement companies are constantly trying shake off your money with the usual sale schemes. Almost all product reviews are never scientific, only subjective and fancy talk. 90% of them dont do jack shit, take for instance the NO/arginine scam. I would like to make a thread about supplements that DO work with scientific backing, afterwards we will discuss the price to effectivity ratio of these products. Could make for an interesting read. Will edit on research.

Any more info on this?

TheDukeUSMC · 02-23-2008, 08:40 PM

I've switched to a liquid protein lately and I've felt it's made a difference

otrebmu · 02-24-2008, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDukeUSMC

I've switched to a liquid protein lately and I've felt it's made a difference

liquid protein?

09-24-2007, 06:44 PM	#1 (permalink)
Stopwatshiet Donating Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 67 62755	The supplement hype, dont get carried away This goes out to everyone working out. Supplement companies are constantly trying shake off your money with the usual sale schemes. Almost all product reviews are never scientific, only subjective and fancy talk. 90% of them dont do jack shit, take for instance the NO/arginine scam. I would like to make a thread about supplements that DO work with scientific backing, afterwards we will discuss the price to effectivity ratio of these products. Could make for an interesting read. Will edit on research.

09-24-2007, 09:06 PM	#3 (permalink)
stealth_swimmer oh hai Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,008 344509	well I haven't taken straight arginine but I know that Amped ECN (creatine, arginine, BCAAs, and other stuff) definitely gives me a better pump and a longer lasting pump. Also would like to point out that they are NOT NO2 products they are NO products. Most ppl get confused because the NO2 name on one such product. However, they are NO products (nitric oxide). Plus there are other things that increase NO or iNOS or some such. I believe Ornithine is one such product and actually works better than straight arginine(which actually has been proven the least effective of the NO products, lol) Anyways, yes supplements are mostly hype but you should research before buying that way you spend money wisely on things that work and things that will actually help. Even supplements that are proven still only give a slight edge, but of course we make some of them staples of the bodybuilding supplement regimen. __________________ Hey.

09-24-2007, 09:44 PM	#4 (permalink)
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09-24-2007, 06:56 PM	#2 (permalink)
Stopwatshiet Donating Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 67 62755	Well until editing works, Ill quick reply and delete the posts later on. For starters here we have the NO2/arginine scam Part 1: http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle....cr=supplements Part 2: http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle....cr=supplements

09-25-2007, 01:32 PM	#8 (permalink)
TheDukeUSMC Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 989 1574909	1. Whey Protein 2. NO Xplode 3. Mutli's 4. Amino's 5. Gultimine 6. FOOD!

09-25-2007, 01:40 PM	#9 (permalink)
Slugo Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 62 0	AGREE! All I take is a multi and whey protein! I'm going to move onto a protein blend next though. I might buy some Size On soon, just for fun though.

09-25-2007, 01:47 PM	#10 (permalink)
captainhorseboy Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 87 16304	i dont even use protein, or any other supp, i just eat fucking food sure im not huge by any means but too many people flush their cash with that bullshit i seriously hate the supplement industry just make big pyrex trays of chicken in the oven and grab one every once in a while, and have a big tupperware tub of brown rice and a few sauces like teriyaki or good ol' KC Masterpiece

09-25-2007, 01:49 PM	#11 (permalink)
Slugo Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 62 0	Well the only reason I buy protein is for convenience, it's quick way to get protein in when short on time.

09-25-2007, 01:52 PM	#12 (permalink)
sword- Lupe's lost brother. Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 449 75094	Certain aspects of the industry I hate. Staple supplements I like though are: -Whey (generally isolate since I don't digest wpc well) -Fish Oil -Multi-Vitamin -ALA or some antioxidant. -Creatine in some form. Most everything else is gimmicky. Not saying it doesnt work but it depends on your goals (sports/training specific...e.g. I'd vouch for ALCAR but it isnt necessary), budget, and how long you have been training.

10-22-2007, 02:21 AM	#13 (permalink)
TheDukeUSMC Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 989 1574909	For awsome supps cheaper that bb.com vist www. t r u e p r otein.com You can custom mix your stuff and eveything

02-23-2008, 08:40 PM	#16 (permalink)
TheDukeUSMC Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 989 1574909	I've switched to a liquid protein lately and I've felt it's made a difference