Dead Lift...Sumo or Conventional???

JCouts1974 · 01-20-2008, 06:43 PM

As far as deadlifts go I like sumo but I a can do more weight convnetional.

is this the norm???

Triple B · 01-20-2008, 06:44 PM

Yes I believe it's the norm.

JCouts1974 · 01-20-2008, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triple B

Yes I believe it's the norm.

why is that????

I can rep the hell outta 315 sumo but cant pull 335 once

I can also rep 315 conventional hella times but I can pull over 400.

if you got any tips please bring em on.

TROJAN · 01-20-2008, 06:58 PM

I don't like doing sumo, because the weight doesn't feel right with my hands so close together. Usually I take a wide stance and go with a conventional grip.

Mr. X · 01-20-2008, 07:05 PM

All out sumo, better on my knees, and my long legs really get in the way when I do conventional, and it kind of does a Stiff-Legged deadlifts, my hips rise up way too quickly, and then I finish the pull. Plus I like gripping close, no idea what I can do on conventional now...

When I started sumo I did 315x2 on conventional and 295x1 sumo.

JCouts1974 · 01-20-2008, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by XiL3

All out sumo, better on my knees, and my long legs really get in the way when I do conventional, and it kind of does a Stiff-Legged deadlifts, my hips rise up way too quickly, and then I finish the pull. Plus I like gripping close, no idea what I can do on conventional now...

When I started sumo I did 315x2 on conventional and 295x1 sumo.

Well I guess I will just have to make a video of me doing sumo again at 315 and see if I can rep as many as you bro hopefully I can I wouldn't want to embarass myself....

Mr. X · 01-20-2008, 11:29 PM

If conventional is stronger, then you should do it that way.

TROJAN · 01-21-2008, 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JCouts1974

Well I guess I will just have to make a video of me doing sumo again at 315 and see if I can rep as many as you bro hopefully I can I wouldn't want to embarass myself....

You should make an entry for the 225 contest

Pure_muscle · 01-21-2008, 09:20 AM

I DL conventional, I will give sumo a go though on next DL day.

JCouts1974 · 01-21-2008, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Pure_muscle

I DL conventional, I will give sumo a go though on next DL day.

go light untill you get used to the form and used to the grip Iwould suggest starting as light as 135.

blueadept33 · 01-21-2008, 03:20 PM

sumo is crap to me. doesn't work as well, are you allowed to use it for competition? I just see people moving the weight with less distance and looking teh ghey.

550lb dead ftw.

with my 405lb squat today I have at least 1325 big 3 total @ 202lbs.

I need to compete.

JCouts1974 · 01-21-2008, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blueadept33

sumo is crap to me. doesn't work as well, are you allowed to use it for competition? I just see people moving the weight with less distance and looking teh ghey.

550lb dead ftw.

with my 405lb squat today I have at least 1325 big 3 total @ 202lbs.

I need to compete.

yes sumo is allowed in competition and nice totals by the way

TROJAN · 01-21-2008, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blueadept33

sumo is crap to me. doesn't work as well, are you allowed to use it for competition? I just see people moving the weight with less distance and looking teh ghey.

550lb dead ftw.

with my 405lb squat today I have at least 1325 big 3 total @ 202lbs.

I need to compete.

Good lifts, I'm at 1415 right now at the same bodyweight.

irishkid · 01-21-2008, 08:50 PM

i believe 4 of the top 5 deadlifts of all time have been conventional. i pull conv.

otrebmu · 01-21-2008, 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blueadept33

with my 405lb squat today I have at least 1325 big 3 total @ 202lbs.

I need to compete.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TROJANNATION

Good lifts, I'm at 1415 right now at the same bodyweight.

job well done, spartans

JCouts1974 · 01-22-2008, 05:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irishkid

i believe 4 of the top 5 deadlifts of all time have been conventional. i pull conv.

if you go to youtube.com search tee skinnyman myers he is a drug free 17 time world dead lift champion he weighs like 180 lbs and pulls over 700 and he does sumo.

also there is a video of donnie thompson pulling 800 lbs conventional and he pulls it like it is nothing.

03-01-2008, 04:47 AM

It all depends on the person...

dynamik · 05-02-2008, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TROJANNATION

I'm at 1415 right now at the same bodyweight.

owned

JCouts1974 · 05-16-2008, 02:01 PM

Well I haven't said anything here in a while and since I was the starter of this thread I figured I would say something....

I have been to three of four meets now and have seen guys do deads both ways and both ways have there advantages and disadvantages. For me Conventional seems easier because that was the only way I ever did it all through school and football training and shit like that. I have sense started playing around with sumo and I can do pretty good with it but I just haven't trained with it enough to get really godd at it.

To me the benifits of Conventional are familiarty... I am used to it... but if you look at it and you look at sumo side by side. sumo seems easier... I am a pretty tall guy and have long legs so sumo would probably be better for me as doing sumo would be a much shorter pull but you have to have a really strong grip to pull that kind of weight in that form...Conventional is a longer pull for me but again familiar..the weight feels more distributed in my hands and I feel more stable in a conventional stance than a sumo.. but the sumo will get easier with practice and I think it is probably better on your back. just some of my thoughts on this...

Mr. X · 05-16-2008, 02:20 PM

Sumo is better on the back, but worse on the adductors.

Anyway, I'm going to start adding conventionals in, because a lot of powerlifters do both ways like you said JCouts, some different muscles are worked, they aren't the exact same exercise. I would also like to see where I stand with conventionals, and also most of the top lifters are all conventional lifters AND they train with sumo...so I wonder if I could get my conventional higher than my sumo!

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Mr. X Mr. X is The Beefcake (no Qualy) Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 24,716 169211 :	All out sumo, better on my knees, and my long legs really get in the way when I do conventional, and it kind of does a Stiff-Legged deadlifts, my hips rise up way too quickly, and then I finish the pull. Plus I like gripping close, no idea what I can do on conventional now... When I started sumo I did 315x2 on conventional and 295x1 sumo. __________________ ISSA Certified Fitness Trainer All-Time PR's Deadlift: 535lbs CoC #2.5x2 HG300x5 Hub Lift: 45lbs x 2 Rolling Thunder: 150lbs One Arm Barbell Snatch: 125x1 Dumbbell Clean and Jerk 125x4 NGMF 9thG8 Syndicate Current: Body Weight: 181lbs Body Fat Percentage: 12.5% Body Weight Goals: 10 Muscle-Ups [ ] 5 Glute-Ham Raises (off the lat pulldown not the easy GHR machine) [ ] 1 Dragonflag [X?] 1 Human Flag [ ] Dunk [ ]

01-20-2008, 11:29 PM	#7 (permalink)
Mr. X Mr. X is The Beefcake (no Qualy) Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 24,716 169211 :	If conventional is stronger, then you should do it that way. __________________ ISSA Certified Fitness Trainer All-Time PR's Deadlift: 535lbs CoC #2.5x2 HG300x5 Hub Lift: 45lbs x 2 Rolling Thunder: 150lbs One Arm Barbell Snatch: 125x1 Dumbbell Clean and Jerk 125x4 NGMF 9thG8 Syndicate Current: Body Weight: 181lbs Body Fat Percentage: 12.5% Body Weight Goals: 10 Muscle-Ups [ ] 5 Glute-Ham Raises (off the lat pulldown not the easy GHR machine) [ ] 1 Dragonflag [X?] 1 Human Flag [ ] Dunk [ ]

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irishkid irishkid fucks for pie CHAINS MOFUCKA! Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: sparta Posts: 453 84 :	i believe 4 of the top 5 deadlifts of all time have been conventional. i pull conv. __________________ HOW TO: BUILD BOARDS FOR BOARD PRESSES: http://www.allthemisc.com/showthread.php?t=1496

01-21-2008, 09:20 AM	#9 (permalink)
Pure_muscle Pure_muscle fucks for pie Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,072 270 :	I DL conventional, I will give sumo a go though on next DL day.

01-21-2008, 03:20 PM	#11 (permalink)
blueadept33 blueadept33 fucks for pie Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 238 20 :	sumo is crap to me. doesn't work as well, are you allowed to use it for competition? I just see people moving the weight with less distance and looking teh ghey. 550lb dead ftw. with my 405lb squat today I have at least 1325 big 3 total @ 202lbs. I need to compete.

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dparm99 dparm99 fucks for pie Edit Guest Tournaments Won: 14 Posts: n/a :	It all depends on the person...

05-16-2008, 02:01 PM	#19 (permalink)
JCouts1974 JCouts1974 is Back in South Carolina for a while Bring The Fucking Pain!!! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Columbia South Carolina Posts: 264 237 :	Well I haven't said anything here in a while and since I was the starter of this thread I figured I would say something.... I have been to three of four meets now and have seen guys do deads both ways and both ways have there advantages and disadvantages. For me Conventional seems easier because that was the only way I ever did it all through school and football training and shit like that. I have sense started playing around with sumo and I can do pretty good with it but I just haven't trained with it enough to get really godd at it. To me the benifits of Conventional are familiarty... I am used to it... but if you look at it and you look at sumo side by side. sumo seems easier... I am a pretty tall guy and have long legs so sumo would probably be better for me as doing sumo would be a much shorter pull but you have to have a really strong grip to pull that kind of weight in that form...Conventional is a longer pull for me but again familiar..the weight feels more distributed in my hands and I feel more stable in a conventional stance than a sumo.. but the sumo will get easier with practice and I think it is probably better on your back. just some of my thoughts on this... __________________ Push yourself beyond your limits!!!!! Ride to the Wheels Fall OFF!!!!!!!!!!!! DON'T CHRIST HIM BRO!!!!!!(stole it I know but it's a good one!!!) COME TO THE DARK SIDE....( we have cookies )

05-16-2008, 02:20 PM	#20 (permalink)
Mr. X Mr. X is The Beefcake (no Qualy) Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 24,716 169211 :	Sumo is better on the back, but worse on the adductors. Anyway, I'm going to start adding conventionals in, because a lot of powerlifters do both ways like you said JCouts, some different muscles are worked, they aren't the exact same exercise. I would also like to see where I stand with conventionals, and also most of the top lifters are all conventional lifters AND they train with sumo...so I wonder if I could get my conventional higher than my sumo! __________________ ISSA Certified Fitness Trainer All-Time PR's Deadlift: 535lbs CoC #2.5x2 HG300x5 Hub Lift: 45lbs x 2 Rolling Thunder: 150lbs One Arm Barbell Snatch: 125x1 Dumbbell Clean and Jerk 125x4 NGMF 9thG8 Syndicate Current: Body Weight: 181lbs Body Fat Percentage: 12.5% Body Weight Goals: 10 Muscle-Ups [ ] 5 Glute-Ham Raises (off the lat pulldown not the easy GHR machine) [ ] 1 Dragonflag [X?] 1 Human Flag [ ] Dunk [ ]

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